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Website brainstorming review

Damien Tardy-Panis
Hi everybody,

Over the past week, I've managed to reach a quite decent status for the
website brainstorming including remarks that some of you put there and
refactoring all these ideas within several logical parts.

There is currently a lot of things inside the document. It will be ambitious
to say we're going to do everything written there for the first version of the
website... But at least I want to make sure of 2 things :
- we didn't forget big important things
- everything there is consistent with the idea of ownCloud most of you have

So before starting to create a design based on this, I'd like you to give a
quick look at that kind of "brainstorming" (http://owncloud.notes.kde.org/1)
and add/comment what you want there.

We always need some quick feedback
Thank you,

Damien

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Re: Website brainstorming review

Jan-Christoph Borchardt-2
Hey Damien and everyone,

I finally digitalized the mockup and updated it, also taking into account
what you wrote in the document:
https://gitorious.org/jancborchardt/jancborchardt/blobs/master/ownCloud/website%20mockup.png
? by no means final, hence the wireframe form. It should have the style of
the current log in page.

It?s pretty much explained in the remarks on the right side of the mockup.
The 3 basic target groups are users, webmasters and contributors, so there
are 3 columns with relevant links in the first block and dynamic updates
in the second one.

Important is that we should keep everything simple and not have too much
text on the site. We need to make installing and using ownCloud incredibly
easy and understandable, ideally eliminating the need for any manual. Of
course we need to explain the necessary things and offer help but the main
point why Dropbox is so widely used is that it is just that; easy, quick
and you don?t need to read lots of stuff.

I would be happy for any feedback. I?ll do some quick testing with the
mockups later and tomorrow so I can get some opinions of Dropbox users and
non-technical people.



On Wed, June 29, 2011 02:22, Damien Tardy-Panis wrote:

> Hi everybody,
>
> Over the past week, I've managed to reach a quite decent status for the
> website brainstorming including remarks that some of you put there and
> refactoring all these ideas within several logical parts.
>
> There is currently a lot of things inside the document. It will be
> ambitious
> to say we're going to do everything written there for the first version of
> the
> website... But at least I want to make sure of 2 things :
> - we didn't forget big important things
> - everything there is consistent with the idea of ownCloud most of you
> have
>
> So before starting to create a design based on this, I'd like you to give
> a
> quick look at that kind of "brainstorming"
> (http://owncloud.notes.kde.org/1)
> and add/comment what you want there.
>
> We always need some quick feedback
> Thank you,
>
> Damien
> _______________________________________________
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> Owncloud at kde.org
> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/owncloud
>



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Re: Website brainstorming review

Damien Tardy-Panis
Hi Jan-Christoph and everybody,

On Sunday 03 July 2011 21:32:27 you wrote:

> Hey Damien and everyone,
>
> I finally digitalized the mockup and updated it, also taking into account
> what you wrote in the document:
> https://gitorious.org/jancborchardt/jancborchardt/blobs/master/ownCloud/web
> site%20mockup.png ? by no means final, hence the wireframe form. It should
> have the style of the current log in page.
>
> It?s pretty much explained in the remarks on the right side of the mockup.
> The 3 basic target groups are users, webmasters and contributors, so there
> are 3 columns with relevant links in the first block and dynamic updates
> in the second one.
>
> Important is that we should keep everything simple and not have too much
> text on the site. We need to make installing and using ownCloud incredibly
> easy and understandable, ideally eliminating the need for any manual. Of
> course we need to explain the necessary things and offer help but the main
> point why Dropbox is so widely used is that it is just that; easy, quick
> and you don?t need to read lots of stuff.
>
> I would be happy for any feedback. I?ll do some quick testing with the
> mockups later and tomorrow so I can get some opinions of Dropbox users and
> non-technical people.

I think there are a lot of good ideas in there. Especially about the
separation of the content and the display of these parts.

Something I don't understand is: you want this page to replace the current
login page?
Sorry I don't have a Diaspora account yet to compare with what they do ;-)
Does it look like joindiaspora.com with the other page for the login? I think
it is better to leave the login boxes (username+password) visible and easily
accesible in the first page. That's what people expect to find on this page:
they want to access their account.

I would prefer not to use the same page on both the website and the login
page. I don't see where this idea came from: the pages have different purposes
so I don't understand why they should be the same. For example, 'try the web
demo', providers things, are not relevant on the login page.

I agree with you that we should keep everything simple and sober. So isn't
that page too busy? I see the point of having some links and a better login
page but here it is really too much IMHO. Especially, there are too much
technical stuff on it that could make the user run away. A page like
joindiaspora.com will fit better: the philosophy of the project, a link to the
development, one for the help...
I think the best should be something in the middle between your page and this
one speaking about the content proposed.

I can try to provide some design (for the website itself) for the end of the
week so that you can give feedback too. And discuss what to do with these
pages.

Maybe I didn't correctly understood what you wanted to to. Sorry if it's the
case ;-)

For the rest, as I said, I agree about the targeted people and your ideas
about the importance of making everything as easy and light as possible for
the users.

Cheers,
Damien
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Re: Website brainstorming review

Damien Tardy-Panis
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Hi Jan-Christoph, Florian, Aamir and everybody,

You can find attached the second version of the mockup for the website.
The design is far from being exhaustive but that was not the goal. I just
wanted to give a quick look about the navigation. Some things will be
changed/added later while developing.

You can see I took several ideas from the first mockup. Basically, the most
visible thing I did is to remove the second row: these contents should not be
placed on the home page IMHO. But I think we will still put them in the
appropriate categories since they are good ideas of content.

I didn't explain everything on the page. So I will be available on IRC
(tardypad) in the coming days to discuss it with you. I'm open to critics ;-)
(I'm not 100% satisfied with what I did but 'the perfect is the enemy of
good'). We need to agree on a design and then start distributing tasks among
people that wants to help with it.

Cheers,
Damien
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Re: Website brainstorming review

Jan-Christoph Borchardt-2
For everyone on the mailing list, Damien?s mockup is also at:
https://gitorious.org/jancborchardt/jancborchardt/blobs/master/ownCloud/website%20design%20Damien.png

That?s great! You?re right with removing the second row, that doesn?t
belong on the front page and makes it too busy.

I did some testing with my earlier mockup and an explanation video seems
very important. Instead of having a separate screenshots gallery we should
make a slider out of the image/video box and also incorporate them on the
Features page.

Yes, having the main site be the index site of the standard ownCloud
installation would look like http://joindiaspora.com ? instead of the
functions & links on the top bar we could even put both username &
password fields there so people can log in directly.
The basic idea is that every ownCloud installation should provide a little
info on the project. For example if you get a public link with
http://domain.com/webspace/LINK you could go to domain.com/webspace and
check out what it?s about.


Here?s my idea of a structure with sub-entries and short explanation:

News: blog, contributor blogs (ownCloud entries), Identi.ca #tag & !group,
Diaspora #tag, commit feed, the web about ownCloud

Discover
* History: http://owncloud.org/index.php/Main_Page#Introduction
* Features: what is already available?
* Compare: to Dropbox, iCloud, Ubuntu One, SpiderOak,etc.
* Roadmap: planned features

Use (just for users, no coding / terminal whatsoever)
* Try it: live instance, reset regularly
* Web: list of providers
* Desktop: download links to desktop app / WebDAV connection info
* Mobile: download links to mobile app
* Apps & plugins: list of currently available

Host: Requirements (for admins or providers wanting to set up their ownCloud)
* Install: download, instructions
* Configure

Contribute: opportunities / tasks, similar to
http://owncloud.org/index.php/Tasks
* Report a bug: http://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?product=owncloud probably
best to have a small explanation. But even then you need an account which
is cumbersome.
* Develop: development setup: http://owncloud.org/index.php/Contribute,
apps & plugins http://owncloud.org/index.php/Developer
* Translate: http://owncloud.org/index.php/Localization what about
Transifex / some interface?
* Website: develop, documentation etc.

Contact: Team, mailing list, IRC, logo


Let me know what you think!


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Re: Website brainstorming review

Damien Tardy-Panis
Hey, sorry guys I'm quite slow these days to answer and to do things...

On Monday 11 July 2011 14:22:58 Jan-Christoph wrote:
> For everyone on the mailing list, Damien?s mockup is also at:
> https://gitorious.org/jancborchardt/jancborchardt/blobs/master/ownCloud/web
> site%20design%20Damien.png

Thanks to put it there.

>
> That?s great! You?re right with removing the second row, that doesn?t
> belong on the front page and makes it too busy.

Ok cool that you agree!

>
> I did some testing with my earlier mockup and an explanation video seems
> very important. Instead of having a separate screenshots gallery we should
> make a slider out of the image/video box and also incorporate them on the
> Features page.

Yes I agree that a video would be awesome but it's quite long to do I think.
To make that video, do you know some free softwares we can use to create
simple animations?
In the very first version, we can put some images (not screenshots but images
that explains what ownCloud is).

>
> Yes, having the main site be the index site of the standard ownCloud
> installation would look like http://joindiaspora.com ? instead of the
> functions & links on the top bar we could even put both username &
> password fields there so people can log in directly.
> The basic idea is that every ownCloud installation should provide a little
> info on the project. For example if you get a public link with
> http://domain.com/webspace/LINK you could go to domain.com/webspace and
> check out what it?s about.

Yes I understand now a bit more the concept and the point of doing that. And
in fact I was just thinking exactly like you about putting the fields in the
top bar ;-)

>
>
> Here?s my idea of a structure with sub-entries and short explanation:
>
> News: blog, contributor blogs (ownCloud entries), Identi.ca #tag & !group,
> Diaspora #tag, commit feed, the web about ownCloud

I agree about the content. Then, there are different ways of presenting them:
either separate the different things or gather them one page.
I think that putting all on one page will be too much and they have different
target people (commit feed for techies). But maybe one section for each of
them will be too much. For example, should we separate the blog from the
contributor's blogs?
This part will need to be designed properly.

>
> Discover
> * History: http://owncloud.org/index.php/Main_Page#Introduction
> * Features: what is already available?
> * Compare: to Dropbox, iCloud, Ubuntu One, SpiderOak,etc.
> * Roadmap: planned features

Ok, I would just rename History to something different. Nobody (or few people)
cares in fact about the History of the project. Whereas if we put Mission,  
Vision or something like this, it is more engaging for them to come to see and
discover the ideas behind ownCloud. The only important thing for now is to
make sure this part is not just links about the conferences and... but also a
presentation of ownCloud values. That is really important IMHO if we want to
get new contributors (and also users in a second level): we have to present
our values.
For the rest, Great!

>
> Use (just for users, no coding / terminal whatsoever)
> * Try it: live instance, reset regularly
> * Web: list of providers
> * Desktop: download links to desktop app / WebDAV connection info
> * Mobile: download links to mobile app
> * Apps & plugins: list of currently available
>
> Host: Requirements (for admins or providers wanting to set up their
> ownCloud) * Install: download, instructions
> * Configure

In the first look I had about this with your first mockup, I was not really
agree. That's why I changed it to Get and Use parts to separate
Installation/providers (how to get?) from the Use of ownCloud clients/web (how
to use?).
But now reconsidering the all thing, I think your idea of separation depending
on the user is better ;-).
If we make things easy to use, they won't need a "how to use?"  section.
Let's go for it!

>
> Contribute: opportunities / tasks, similar to
> http://owncloud.org/index.php/Tasks
> * Report a bug: http://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?product=owncloud probably
> best to have a small explanation. But even then you need an account which
> is cumbersome.
> * Develop: development setup: http://owncloud.org/index.php/Contribute,
> apps & plugins http://owncloud.org/index.php/Developer
> * Translate: http://owncloud.org/index.php/Localization what about
> Transifex / some interface?
> * Website: develop, documentation etc.

Ok that's fine.

>
> Contact: Team, mailing list, IRC, logo

Ok but what does logo mean here?

>
>
> Let me know what you think!

Great, it is improving! the sharing and mixing of ideas is working ;-)

Could we setup a meeting on IRC to discuss now the development of the website?
Or maybe you are on IRC everyday?
This Thursday evening will be fine for me.

Cheers,
Damien

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Bugs Bane
On 11-07-13 08:08 PM, Damien Tardy-Panis wrote:
>
>   Yes I agree that a video would be awesome but it's quite long to do I think.
> To make that video, do you know some free softwares we can use to create
> simple animations?
I can do that. I did the release video for the last version of Krita (
http://blip.tv/krita/krita-2-3-chagall-is-released-4601121 ), although I
know quite a bit more Blender than is shown in this video. I can't
guarantee to always work to tight deadlines with a toddler and a company
to run, but OwnCloud is an important enough project that I'd be happy to
help out where / when I can. Might I suggest, regarding who the video is
targeted at, that we think of it this way. The video is not meant to
explain everything. It's meant to give everyone who may be interested a
high level taste of what OwnCloud may have for them, and guidance on
where they can learn more.  This lets us keep our explanations of
OwnCloud very simple, even though it's a complex project, Skype style
(you'll find no mention of proxy tunneling sip style voip communications
on their home page...although it's what they do, and the info exists if
you look for the right part of their site.)

> In the very first version, we can put some images (not screenshots but images
> that explains what ownCloud is).
You're welcome to go this way, too, if preferred. :)


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Re: Website brainstorming review

Damien Tardy-Panis
2011/7/14 Bugsbane <bugsbane at gmail.com>

> On 11-07-13 08:08 PM, Damien Tardy-Panis wrote:
> >
> >   Yes I agree that a video would be awesome but it's quite long to do I
> think.
> > To make that video, do you know some free softwares we can use to create
> > simple animations?
> I can do that. I did the release video for the last version of Krita (
> http://blip.tv/krita/krita-2-3-chagall-is-released-4601121 ), although I
> know quite a bit more Blender than is shown in this video. I can't
> guarantee to always work to tight deadlines with a toddler and a company
> to run, but OwnCloud is an important enough project that I'd be happy to
> help out where / when I can. Might I suggest, regarding who the video is
> targeted at, that we think of it this way. The video is not meant to
> explain everything. It's meant to give everyone who may be interested a
> high level taste of what OwnCloud may have for them, and guidance on
> where they can learn more.  This lets us keep our explanations of
> OwnCloud very simple, even though it's a complex project, Skype style
> (you'll find no mention of proxy tunneling sip style voip communications
> on their home page...although it's what they do, and the info exists if
> you look for the right part of their site.)
>
> > In the very first version, we can put some images (not screenshots but
> images
> > that explains what ownCloud is).
> You're welcome to go this way, too, if preferred. :)
>
>
That would be awesome if you can do the video! The one of Krita looks very
nice. I would say that you can take all the time you want to do it. There is

no really deadline and in the meantime we can just put images instead.
And I cannot agree more about your ideas about the video: keep it simple and

engaging.

Keep us updated about your progress.

Thanks,
Damien
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Jan-Christoph Borchardt-2
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Hey,

On Thu, July 14, 2011 02:08, Damien Tardy-Panis wrote:
> Hey, sorry guys I'm quite slow these days to answer and to do things...

No problem. We?re all volunteers so we have the same problem. :)


> Yes I agree that a video would be awesome but it's quite long to do I
> think.
> To make that video, do you know some free softwares we can use to create
> simple animations?
> In the very first version, we can put some images (not screenshots but
> images
> that explains what ownCloud is).

I would just do a short 1-minute screencast with an actual installation of
ownCloud, showing and explaining it at the same time. That?s not too
difficult. (And I would use Kazam for it: https://launchpad.net/kazam )


> Yes I understand now a bit more the concept and the point of doing that.
> And
> in fact I was just thinking exactly like you about putting the fields in
> the
> top bar ;-)

Great!


>> Here?s my idea of a structure with sub-entries and short explanation:
>>
>> News: blog, contributor blogs (ownCloud entries), Identi.ca #tag &
>> !group,
>> Diaspora #tag, commit feed, the web about ownCloud
>
> I agree about the content. Then, there are different ways of presenting
> them:
> either separate the different things or gather them one page.
> I think that putting all on one page will be too much and they have
> different
> target people (commit feed for techies). But maybe one section for each of
> them will be too much. For example, should we separate the blog from the
> contributor's blogs?
> This part will need to be designed properly.

Yep, it?s probably best to default to the official blog and have the
official identi.ca account in the left sidebar below the navigation
(Frank, are you the owner of http://identi.ca/owncloud ? Also I?m trying
to get the Twitter account for ownCloud.)
We can have subcategories on the left side:
Blog (which will have blog + identi.ca in the sidebar)
Planet (I actually dislike the word planet but it?s kind of established.
The contributor blog entries would go there. Sidebar would be for links to
the individual blogs)
Buzz (better word, will have messages on ownCloud by everyone on
identi.ca, Diaspora & Twitter in one stream)
Development (git activity)
And "the web about ownCloud" (which we should have a different name for.
Articles on other sites)


>> Discover
>> * History: http://owncloud.org/index.php/Main_Page#Introduction
>> * Features: what is already available?
>> * Compare: to Dropbox, iCloud, Ubuntu One, SpiderOak,etc.
>> * Roadmap: planned features
>
> Ok, I would just rename History to something different. Nobody (or few
> people)
> cares in fact about the History of the project. Whereas if we put Mission,
> Vision or something like this, it is more engaging for them to come to see
> and
> discover the ideas behind ownCloud.

Right, I completely agree.

By the way, when I did the presentation yesterday I discovered that it?s
apparently a common misconception that ownCloud is already capable of
syncing (also, that it has KDE dependencies). We definitely need to make
it clear what the features are:
at the moment: file management, web interface, share files by public link,
connect via WebDAV, ?
in development: desktop sync client, mobile apps (Android, webOS),
sharing, music player, contact management, server-server synchronization,
?
planned: replacement for Dropbox & iCloud/MobileMe, encryption,
versioning, sync & apps for calendar & bookmarks etc., connect to other
services (Diaspora, OpenPhoto, ?), ?

Excuse me if I forgot something. That is the basic form I would have that
somewhere on the page (most probably on Features) so it?s evident to
people what works, what doesn?t work but will next month and what we would
love to have contributors on.


> If we make things easy to use, they won't need a "how to use?"  section.

Exactly. We should aim to make documentation obsolete, if I may say so.


>> Contact: Team, mailing list, IRC, logo
>
> Ok but what does logo mean here?

Actually I put that there because I didn?t know where else. We need some
site for "Press" that has logos. I always cringe when I want to use
project logos in a presentation, on http://libreprojects.net or in a blog
post and they don?t have high-res ones. But yeah, we can put that
anywhere, I just want to make sure it?s there.


> Great, it is improving! the sharing and mixing of ideas is working ;-)

Yeah, I like it a lot!


> Could we setup a meeting on IRC to discuss now the development of the
> website?
> Or maybe you are on IRC everyday?
> This Thursday evening will be fine for me.

Yes, 21:00 CEST today would work for me (10 hours from now).
Aamir? Florian? Anyone else interested?



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Jan-Christoph Borchardt-2
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Yeah, forget my suggestion with the screencast. Didn?t see your mail
before. That looks amazing!

Probably it?s best to also discuss today evening what we want to have in
the video, if we have enough time.


On Thu, July 14, 2011 10:31, Damien Tardy-Panis wrote:

> 2011/7/14 Bugsbane <bugsbane at gmail.com>
>
>> On 11-07-13 08:08 PM, Damien Tardy-Panis wrote:
>> >
>> >   Yes I agree that a video would be awesome but it's quite long to do
>> I
>> think.
>> > To make that video, do you know some free softwares we can use to
>> create
>> > simple animations?
>> I can do that. I did the release video for the last version of Krita (
>> http://blip.tv/krita/krita-2-3-chagall-is-released-4601121 ), although I
>> know quite a bit more Blender than is shown in this video. I can't
>> guarantee to always work to tight deadlines with a toddler and a company
>> to run, but OwnCloud is an important enough project that I'd be happy to
>> help out where / when I can. Might I suggest, regarding who the video is
>> targeted at, that we think of it this way. The video is not meant to
>> explain everything. It's meant to give everyone who may be interested a
>> high level taste of what OwnCloud may have for them, and guidance on
>> where they can learn more.  This lets us keep our explanations of
>> OwnCloud very simple, even though it's a complex project, Skype style
>> (you'll find no mention of proxy tunneling sip style voip communications
>> on their home page...although it's what they do, and the info exists if
>> you look for the right part of their site.)
>>
>> > In the very first version, we can put some images (not screenshots but
>> images
>> > that explains what ownCloud is).
>> You're welcome to go this way, too, if preferred. :)
>>
>>
> That would be awesome if you can do the video! The one of Krita looks very
> nice. I would say that you can take all the time you want to do it. There
> is
>
> no really deadline and in the meantime we can just put images instead.
> And I cannot agree more about your ideas about the video: keep it simple
> and
>
> engaging.
>
> Keep us updated about your progress.


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Damien Tardy-Panis
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> > Could we setup a meeting on IRC to discuss now the development of the
> > website?
> > Or maybe you are on IRC everyday?
> > This Thursday evening will be fine for me.
>
> Yes, 21:00 CEST today would work for me (10 hours from now).
> Aamir? Florian? Anyone else interested?

Ok there was nobody today on IRC but that is not a big problem, the meeting
was maybe set up too much in a hurry ;-)

Could we meet Monday around 21:00 CEST if it is ok for you?

Thanks,
Damien

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Florian Jacob
>>> Could we setup a meeting on IRC to discuss now the development of the
>>> website?
>>> Or maybe you are on IRC everyday?
>>> This Thursday evening will be fine for me.
>>
>> Yes, 21:00 CEST today would work for me (10 hours from now).
>> Aamir? Florian? Anyone else interested?
>
> Ok there was nobody today on IRC but that is not a big problem, the meeting
> was maybe set up too much in a hurry ;-)
>
> Could we meet Monday around 21:00 CEST if it is ok for you?
>
> Thanks,
> Damien
>

Well, actually I _was_ in the irc channel just in time, but I didn't
notice the scroll bar in that Mail and didn't know it should have taken
place.. :/

Monday works for me.


See you then,
Florian


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Jan-Christoph Borchardt-2
Yes, please excuse me. I did some Diaspora usability testing on short
notice. Monday will be fine!


On Thu, July 14, 2011 23:14, Florian Jacob wrote:

>>>> Could we setup a meeting on IRC to discuss now the development of the
>>>> website?
>>>> Or maybe you are on IRC everyday?
>>>> This Thursday evening will be fine for me.
>>>
>>> Yes, 21:00 CEST today would work for me (10 hours from now).
>>> Aamir? Florian? Anyone else interested?
>>
>> Ok there was nobody today on IRC but that is not a big problem, the
>> meeting
>> was maybe set up too much in a hurry ;-)
>>
>> Could we meet Monday around 21:00 CEST if it is ok for you?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Damien
>>
>
> Well, actually I _was_ in the irc channel just in time, but I didn't
> notice the scroll bar in that Mail and didn't know it should have taken
> place.. :/
>
> Monday works for me.
>
>
> See you then,
> Florian
>
>



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Re: Website brainstorming review

Damien Tardy-Panis
2011/7/14 Jan-Christoph <JanCBorchardt at fsfe.org>

> Yes, please excuse me. I did some Diaspora usability testing on short
> notice. Monday will be fine!
>
> > Well, actually I _was_ in the irc channel just in time, but I didn't
> > notice the scroll bar in that Mail and didn't know it should have taken
> > place.. :/
> >
> > Monday works for me.
>

No problem at all.
"See" you all Monday.

Damien
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Re: Website brainstorming review

Aaron Reichman
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Wow, that mockup looks amazing. Is there still an IRC meeting at 21:00 CST?
That's 6am my time but I'll at least leave my computer on tonight so I can
read the backlog later.

On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Damien Tardy-Panis <
damientardypanis at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Jan-Christoph, Florian, Aamir and everybody,
>
> You can find attached the second version of the mockup for the website.
> The design is far from being exhaustive but that was not the goal. I just
> wanted to give a quick look about the navigation. Some things will be
> changed/added later while developing.
>
> You can see I took several ideas from the first mockup. Basically, the most
> visible thing I did is to remove the second row: these contents should not
> be
> placed on the home page IMHO. But I think we will still put them in the
> appropriate categories since they are good ideas of content.
>
> I didn't explain everything on the page. So I will be available on IRC
> (tardypad) in the coming days to discuss it with you. I'm open to critics
> ;-)
> (I'm not 100% satisfied with what I did but 'the perfect is the enemy of
> good'). We need to agree on a design and then start distributing tasks
> among
> people that wants to help with it.
>
> Cheers,
> Damien
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Damien Tardy-Panis
Hi Aaron,


 Yes, there is still an IRC meeting this evening (evening for me at least)
at

21H00 CEST. If you don't want to leave your computer on tonight, I can send
you the backlog after.


2011/7/18 Aaron Reichman <areichman.kde at gmail.com>

> Wow, that mockup looks amazing. Is there still an IRC meeting at 21:00 CST?
> That's 6am my time but I'll at least leave my computer on tonight so I can
> read the backlog later.
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