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ownCloud 1.0 RC1 issues

Frank Karlitschek
Hi all,

thanks a lot for the great work of all of you in the last few weeks. Especially because I hadn?t much time lately. :-)
I think we achieved a lot and we are on the right track to produce a fantastic piece of software.


I tried to package and release ownCloud 1.0 RC1 during this weekend like I announced last week. The plan is to release 1.0 during Linuxtag next week and do a 1.0.1 shortly after this with bugfixes.

But I noticed a few major problems.


1. I got 2 scrollbars on the right hand side of the browser at the first run wizard.
This looks strange.


2. Initial database setup
I think the current configuration form is O.K. for now. But in the future we should streamline it more. All the database password and logins are confusing for normal users.
I think we should default to SQLite where it automatically detects is a database exists and if not just creates it. No need to ask the users questions here. There could be an option to switch to mysql of course where all the advanced options for database authentication are shown. I also don?t get SQLite as an option here. It seams that a driver is mission on this system here. But we should tell the users what is missing.

Remember that the vision is that the user just has to unpack owncloud in a random directory on a webserver and it works without further system administration configuration work.


3. usermanagement / groups.
I don?t think the existing multiuser features are ready for release at this moment. So I think this should be deativated. And I?m also not sure If the direction is the right one. I have some concrete plans and code for the sharing features already. This feature needs more discussion. It would be nice if somebody could deativate this features again for 1.0
Thanks.


4. Settings / Admin Panel.
I don?t get why we have 2 different places for configuration here.
Could we please discuss this further?



By the way. We should use this mailinglist to discuss major architectural changes and big commit.
It is important that we are on the same page here and work in the same direction. :-)

We should use this mailinglist as "official" platform to decide about the direction of ownCloud. IRC is not the right medium because people who are not online at this moment can?t tell their opinion.



Cheers
Frank





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ownCloud 1.0 RC1 issues

Jos Poortvliet
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Frank Karlitschek <karlitschek at kde.org> wrote:
> Hi all,

<snip>

> By the way. We should use this mailinglist to discuss major architectural changes and big commit.
> It is important that we are on the same page here and work in the same direction. :-)
>
> We should use this mailinglist as "official" platform to decide about the direction of ownCloud. IRC is not the right medium because people who are not online at this moment can?t tell their opinion.

+1, that way I can follow what is happening which helps when one day I
might want to (help) write about owncloud for the dot, help with
announcements etc etc  ;-)

> Cheers
> Frank
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Frank Karlitschek
> karlitschek at kde.org
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ownCloud 1.0 RC1 issues

Robin Appelman
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On Tuesday, June 01, 2010 12:46:54 Frank Karlitschek wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> thanks a lot for the great work of all of you in the last few weeks.
> Especially because I hadn?t much time lately. :-) I think we achieved a
> lot and we are on the right track to produce a fantastic piece of
> software.
>
>
> I tried to package and release ownCloud 1.0 RC1 during this weekend like I
> announced last week. The plan is to release 1.0 during Linuxtag next week
> and do a 1.0.1 shortly after this with bugfixes.
>
> But I noticed a few major problems.
>
>
> 1. I got 2 scrollbars on the right hand side of the browser at the first
> run wizard. This looks strange.
What browser are you using?

Does the second scrollbar actually hides something, I could force the browser
not to show it but that only is an option if the scrollbar only scrolls a few
pixels or something

>
>
> 2. Initial database setup
> I think the current configuration form is O.K. for now. But in the future
> we should streamline it more. All the database password and logins are
> confusing for normal users. I think we should default to SQLite where it
> automatically detects is a database exists and if not just creates it. No
> need to ask the users questions here. There could be an option to switch
> to mysql of course where all the advanced options for database
> authentication are shown.
At least the database name for sqlite databases can be removed as config option
since it's stored in the owncloud directory anyway, so the user doesn't see it
or anything
> I also don?t get SQLite as an option here. It seams that a driver is mission
on this system here. But we should tell the
> users what is missing.
Good point, will fix it

>
> Remember that the vision is that the user just has to unpack owncloud in a
> random directory on a webserver and it works without further system
> administration configuration work.
>
>
> 3. usermanagement / groups.
> I don?t think the existing multiuser features are ready for release at this
> moment. So I think this should be deativated. And I?m also not sure If the
> direction is the right one. I have some concrete plans and code for the
> sharing features already. This feature needs more discussion. It would be
> nice if somebody could deativate this features again for 1.0 Thanks.
Would just removing the "Create new user" dialog be enough for now?

>
> 4. Settings / Admin Panel.
> I don?t get why we have 2 different places for configuration here.
> Could we please discuss this further?
This was done to separate the user related configurations from the ownCloud
administration, the Admin Panel only shows for users in the admin group.
As long as the multi user is disabled it might be best to put them together
again
>
>
> By the way. We should use this mailinglist to discuss major architectural
> changes and big commit. It is important that we are on the same page here
> and work in the same direction. :-)
>
> We should use this mailinglist as "official" platform to decide about the
> direction of ownCloud. IRC is not the right medium because people who are
> not online at this moment can?t tell their opinion.
Sounds good

>
>
>
> Cheers
> Frank
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Frank Karlitschek
> karlitschek at kde.org

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ownCloud 1.0 RC1 issues

Gianluca Urgese
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Il giorno 01/giu/2010, alle ore 12.46, Frank Karlitschek ha scritto:

> Hi all,
Hi

>
> thanks a lot for the great work of all of you in the last few weeks. Especially because I hadn?t much time lately. :-)
> I think we achieved a lot and we are on the right track to produce a fantastic piece of software.
>
>
> I tried to package and release ownCloud 1.0 RC1 during this weekend like I announced last week. The plan is to release 1.0 during Linuxtag next week and do a 1.0.1 shortly after this with bugfixes.
>
> But I noticed a few major problems.
>
>
> 1. I got 2 scrollbars ...
> 2. Initial database setup...
> 3. usermanagement / groups...
> 4. Settings / Admin Panel...
Wich one part i can take and improve? I will happy to work on something but who work on what, and how can help? All of this 4 points for me are "eguals", I can choose one, write and discuss here, start to coding? This is the right flow?
>
> By the way. We should use this mailinglist to discuss major architectural changes and big commit.
> It is important that we are on the same page here and work in the same direction. :-)
>
> We should use this mailinglist as "official" platform to decide about the direction of ownCloud. IRC is not the right medium because people who are not online at this moment can?t tell their opinion.
>
Yes for me, It's right to use ML to coordinate all the works.
>
>
> Cheers
> Frank
>
Thanks
Gia

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ownCloud 1.0 RC1 issues

Frank Karlitschek
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On 01.06.2010, at 14:01, Robin wrote:

> On Tuesday, June 01, 2010 12:46:54 Frank Karlitschek wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> thanks a lot for the great work of all of you in the last few weeks.
>> Especially because I hadn?t much time lately. :-) I think we achieved a
>> lot and we are on the right track to produce a fantastic piece of
>> software.
>>
>>
>> I tried to package and release ownCloud 1.0 RC1 during this weekend like I
>> announced last week. The plan is to release 1.0 during Linuxtag next week
>> and do a 1.0.1 shortly after this with bugfixes.
>>
>> But I noticed a few major problems.
>>
>>
>> 1. I got 2 scrollbars on the right hand side of the browser at the first
>> run wizard. This looks strange.
> What browser are you using?

I see this with Firefox


> Does the second scrollbar actually hides something, I could force the browser
> not to show it but that only is an option if the scrollbar only scrolls a few
> pixels or something

I noticed that this happens when your browser window is smaller than the dialog.



>>
>>
>> 2. Initial database setup
>> I think the current configuration form is O.K. for now. But in the future
>> we should streamline it more. All the database password and logins are
>> confusing for normal users. I think we should default to SQLite where it
>> automatically detects is a database exists and if not just creates it. No
>> need to ask the users questions here. There could be an option to switch
>> to mysql of course where all the advanced options for database
>> authentication are shown.
> At least the database name for sqlite databases can be removed as config option
> since it's stored in the owncloud directory anyway, so the user doesn't see it
> or a

yes.


> nything
>> I also don?t get SQLite as an option here. It seams that a driver is mission
> on this system here. But we should tell the
>> users what is missing.
> Good point, will fix it


great

>>
>> Remember that the vision is that the user just has to unpack owncloud in a
>> random directory on a webserver and it works without further system
>> administration configuration work.
>>
>>
>> 3. usermanagement / groups.
>> I don?t think the existing multiuser features are ready for release at this
>> moment. So I think this should be deativated. And I?m also not sure If the
>> direction is the right one. I have some concrete plans and code for the
>> sharing features already. This feature needs more discussion. It would be
>> nice if somebody could deativate this features again for 1.0 Thanks.
> Would just removing the "Create new user" dialog be enough for now?


Yes. I think so. I suggest to remove new user and new group for now :-)


>>
>> 4. Settings / Admin Panel.
>> I don?t get why we have 2 different places for configuration here.
>> Could we please discuss this further?
> This was done to separate the user related configurations from the ownCloud
> administration, the Admin Panel only shows for users in the admin group.
> As long as the multi user is disabled it might be best to put them together
> again

O.K. I understand.



>>
>>
>> By the way. We should use this mailinglist to discuss major architectural
>> changes and big commit. It is important that we are on the same page here
>> and work in the same direction. :-)
>>
>> We should use this mailinglist as "official" platform to decide about the
>> direction of ownCloud. IRC is not the right medium because people who are
>> not online at this moment can?t tell their opinion.
> Sounds good
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>> Frank

Thanks for your help. :-)


Cheers
Frank



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Frank Karlitschek
karlitschek at kde.org